Bar rakes=Vermeer is tough to beat. There are a few NH 216 roaming around here and guys are happy with them. Rotarys are nice, fast, can get real wide and dont 'rope' wet stuff in silage but we seemed to have a fair bit of wear issues with them. You dont let the kid next door rake with a rotary b/c when they hit things they get realllllly expensive fast. The old vermeer just keeps going and going. Would love to upgrade to a R2800 though! All in cab controls like the NH 216.
I have never seen anyone use a single basket rake here. Dad had a dbl when I was 10. Ive had them all, and when it comes to the bar rakes, I gotta disagree with you Matt.
Anyway the new R series vermeers are a damn good rake, but if your looking for an older rake I would stay away from the older vermeers or John Deere 700/705 as they are all manual fold and if your on any hills at all its a pita to try and do by your self. The NH rake is a good one, but you dont see alot of them as they are expensive new. I priced a new one back in 05 and at that time the list on one of them was close to 25,000(a new one now is 32,000 ) where as you could buy a new R series vermeer for about 12-14,000.
I believe 05 was the first year for the hyd fold and lift on the R series. The NH has always been hyd fold and raise/lower. One thing to look for on the NH is the baskets have a tendancy to start to crack around the main supports, its not a big problem if caught early, but if let go you will have an expensive pile of scrap metal.
Keep in mind that any hyd driven rake you go with you need to keep your hyd cooler clean on the IH's tractors or itll over heat the oil. It does seem to work better on a close center system, but Ive been running mine with my 1466 for 5 or 6 years with out a problem. Yamaha r1 2017 service manual. Back to the NH rakes, I would look for cracks or welds on it, look at the hyd motor mounts for cracks, and also check the small wheels on the front and back of the baskets and see how wore out they are. If theres alot of play in them you know its covered alot of acres. The ones around here are wore out 2 times over, but people keep rebuilding them, but eventually fatigue will kill them. Also check the bearings in the bars, if theres any slop in them at all get them fixed as soon as possible other wise you run it very long, not only will you be replacing bearings but youll be buying a new bar, as when the bearings do go it alowes it to throw the bar and enevidably it will wedge between the scraper bars and the adjoing bar and bend the crap out of them.
660 driver, a rotary rake is just what it sounds like. Its basically a big single or double basket tedder looking machine with a windrow shield on it. Wheel rakes depending on what you go with can either be a dream or a dreaded nightmare. The bigger 8/10/12/14 wheel hycapcity wheel rakes are pretty nice to run, but the ones that fold up are an absolute joke. JandM966, just courious what your dislike about H & S folding rakes are about? In my country all thats used is some form of wheel rake.
If its real rough ground they do a LOT of flexing and if you watch it itll scare the heck out of you! I just narrow it up then its more stable. I run a 18 wheel M & W (Sitrex, CIH) what ever brand.
I think there are only 2 companys that make them if you don't count Rowse. I think it would 'rope' your hay if its wet. For prairie hay though its great. I cover about 30' in a pass. Ive had them all, and when it comes to the bar rakes, I gotta disagree with you Matt.
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Anyway the new R series vermeers are a damn good rake, but if your looking for an older rake I would stay away from the older vermeers or John Deere 700/705 as they are all manual fold and if your on any hills at all its a pita to try and do by your self. The NH rake is a good one, but you dont see alot of them as they are expensive new. I priced a new one back in 05 and at that time the list on one of them was close to 25,000(a new one now is 32,000 ) where as you could buy a new R series vermeer for about 12-14,000. I believe 05 was the first year for the hyd fold and lift on the R series.
The NH has always been hyd fold and raise/lower. One thing to look for on the NH is the baskets have a tendancy to start to crack around the main supports, its not a big problem if caught early, but if let go you will have an expensive pile of scrap metal. Keep in mind that any hyd driven rake you go with you need to keep your hyd cooler clean on the IH's tractors or itll over heat the oil. It does seem to work better on a close center system, but Ive been running mine with my 1466 for 5 or 6 years with out a problem.
Back to the NH rakes, I would look for cracks or welds on it, look at the hyd motor mounts for cracks, and also check the small wheels on the front and back of the baskets and see how wore out they are. If theres alot of play in them you know its covered alot of acres. The ones around here are wore out 2 times over, but people keep rebuilding them, but eventually fatigue will kill them. Also check the bearings in the bars, if theres any slop in them at all get them fixed as soon as possible other wise you run it very long, not only will you be replacing bearings but youll be buying a new bar, as when the bearings do go it alowes it to throw the bar and enevidably it will wedge between the scraper bars and the adjoing bar and bend the crap out of them. 660 driver, a rotary rake is just what it sounds like. Its basically a big single or double basket tedder looking machine with a windrow shield on it. Wheel rakes depending on what you go with can either be a dream or a dreaded nightmare.
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The bigger 8/10/12/14 wheel hycapcity wheel rakes are pretty nice to run, but the ones that fold up are an absolute joke. John I will agree with you, the manual fold vermeers suck!! But if I could fold one at 14 in the hills of PA, I'm sure you could do it!!!
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JandM966, just courious what your dislike about H & S folding rakes are about? In my country all thats used is some form of wheel rake.
If its real rough ground they do a LOT of flexing and if you watch it itll scare the heck out of you! I just narrow it up then its more stable. I run a 18 wheel M & W (Sitrex, CIH) what ever brand. I think there are only 2 companys that make them if you don't count Rowse.
I think it would 'rope' your hay if its wet. For prairie hay though its great. I cover about 30' in a pass. Amo, I was talking more about the small 8 and 10 wheel rakes that the 'small guys' use, one like this. Dad bought this one when I bought my new baler to help speed things up and in thin hay it was ok, but in thick hay it would just ball up in the back and creat a bigger mess then it was worth.
We sold it and picked up a wore out 12 wheel hesston to use in combination with the JD 700 we have. Heres our JD 700(same as vermeer R-24) Anyway, I believe you are talking about one of them rakes that looks like its on stilts, if so I had one of those, mine was an OMC I believe.
It wasnt a bad rake, but in our hills it wasnt very good. I flipped it over more times then not in the two months that I owned it. I finally traded it for my first JD 700, which was wore out I ran it two years, and traded for a 216 and ran it until the main frame fell apart and then I traded it for the JD 700 pictured above.
If I can ever get around the sticker shock I would like to have an LMC rake. They are set up with bean bars and just look like a heavy rake compared to anything on the market. Ya Im talking about the ones on stilts. I can see what your saying about hilly ground. If its real hilly I narrow it up. Gives it more stability.
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I know there have been several times I looked back and Id have a back wheel off the ground. Usually Id back up and the would 'square' itself back up. Once I did go home and get the loader and raised the one side back up.
My neighbor has one like in your first pic. Its not a bad rake. There are times I wish I had a smaller one thats for sure. The LMC looks awfully close to one Rowse has. Never quite understood the tines.
Soposedly the teeth never touch the ground and the hay turns the wheel. Use it in windrowed alfalfa.
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Keeps the dirt out is part of the sales pitch. Ive never seen much 'dirt' in my hay. Course Im not selling dairy quality either. I do like them hyd powerd basket rakes like what you have. Vermeer makes em for JD right?
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